Friday, October 27, 2006

Cheney Slips Up on Water Boarding

By Steve Holland

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -

The vice president was asked on Tuesday by a conservative radio host from Fargo, North Dakota: "Would you agree a dunk in water is a no-brainer if it can save lives?"

"Well, it's a no-brainer for me," replied Cheney as part of a campaign by Republicans to keep national security on the minds of voters ahead of November 7 congressional elections.

Vice President Dick Cheney said on Friday he was not referring to "water boarding" or any interrogation technique in a radio interview, after critics accused him of endorsing simulated drowning by agreeing that a "dunk in water" for terrorism suspects might be useful.

GOI: This is like Cheney saying that he never met John Edwards during the 2004 campaign when later video tape revealed that he was lying.

Cheney says that a dunk in water to "save lives" isn't water boarding??? What is he refering to then??? Bobbing for apples to raise money to save the life of some unfortunate soul stricken with cancer?!! Somehow I don't think so.

Hmmm, I know!! Cheney is refering to dunking suspicious women as witches just like the good old days. You know back in the 1600's when he was a spry young lad. Only now it's not suspected witches its suspected terrorists. We're stuck in the Bill and Ted's time-warp elevator with Cheney, W and Rumsfeld flying at mach speed back to the Salem witch trial days and the only brake is labeled "Vote Democratic 2oo6!!"

The only "no brainer" DICK "Montgomery Burns" Cheney is that YOU have no brain!! (and no heart either. And no, the paper heart that Lynne cut out for you and hung in your chest cavity doesn't count).

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Kevin said...

And you don't seem to know the difference between dunking and water boarding.

Dunking involves dunking someones head in a tank of water.

Water boarding involves strapping someone to a board, putting cellophane over their face, and pouring water on their face to make their gag reflex kick in.

Perhaps you should research before you start in with your emotionally charged rant severely lacking any common sense or factual base. - another liberal shot down.

Kvatch said...

Dunking involves dunking someones head in a tank of water.

Conveniently setting aside the fact that Cheney was softballed, huh Kevin? Or that Cheney's use of the term 'dunking' is just more Repbublican dissembling in the run up to the election.

Perhaps you should explore the context of the situation before shooting your mouth off.

Another wingnut for the dustbin of history.

james said...

Dunking someone's head in a tank of water for 30 seconds at a time or so simulates drowning. Because one can't breath with one's head
obviously. Whether one has their face wrapped in cellophane or their head dunked underwater the effect is the same. Simulated drowning.

The body can't tell the difference between "techniques." There is more then one way to simulate drowning.

The body reacts and when it can't breath by having the head dunked underwater then of course it's going to react as if it is going to suffocate and drown. Naturally one's body is going to flail around trying to bring the head-up out of the water.

Suffocation being the reason of death by drowning. Either way my friend it's torture.

Would you want our soldiers captured by opposing forces to have their heads dunked underwater over and over? It's cliche but oh so true that two wrongs don't make a right. The minute we start acting like them is the minute we become just as bad as they are.

We're supposed to be the good guys here, remember? As Reagan said, "The shining beacon on the hill." Dunking people's heads underwater isn't being a very good example on how to treat prisoners.

karena said...

There is nothing I can add to the great responses to Kevin and his awful defense of the horrific. You guys did a great job.

Kevin said...

Water torture is generally seen as a very humane way to "torture" someone. It doesn't physically harm the person, and very rarely do they actually use it to kill people. For most people, it is extremely uncomfortable and is used for that reason to gain information. If water boarding OR dunking is used by the U.S. I agree with it. It does not harm the individual and could save thousands of lives by getting the right information.

To prove it isn't really that bad, they do it to Navy SEALs during training so they know what it is like. We do it to our own people in training! To me, torturing someone illegitimately is to physically harm them. Water boarding does not physically harm anyone.

If you are against pretending to drown people to save lives then you know why we aren't winning as quickly as possible and you should stop complaining about it.

james said...


It's a slippery slope my friend.

PTCruiser said...

Torture doesn't work anyway, so why allow or even support it?

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