Wednesday, November 16, 2005

Hagel Defends Criticism of Iraq Policy

Sen. Chuck Hagel fleshed out his proposals for a regional security conference on Iraq and direct U.S. dialogue with Iran during a speech Tuesday to the Council on Foreign Relations.

Hagel also took the occasion to strongly reject arguments that criticism of Bush administration policy in Iraq is unpatriotic or damaging to U.S. troops.

“The Bush administration must understand that each American has a right to question our policies in Iraq and should not be demonized for disagreeing with them,” Hagel said in the text of the speech he delivered in Washington.

"Suggesting that to challenge or criticize policy is undermining and hurting our troops is not democracy nor what this country has stood for for over 200 years."

GOI: I couldn't have said it better myself. Oh yeah and I forgot to mention that Hagel is a veteran of Vietnam and a Republican. So put that in your pipe and smoke it if you're going to try and discredit him.

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Chris said...

And he's a Vietnam Vet, unlike Bush and over half of his administration.

I'll take the word of a guy who's been to war and witnessed the carnage over some rich kid, draft dodging, war skipping punk any day.

james said...


Yeah, I have great admiration for Hagel.

Underground Logician said...

Oh, yeah, you've proven something again. Chuck Hagel, Repub and Viet Vet is against the Bush admininistration's counter to the charges that he lied about intel. Two errors here in your reasoning. One, you've chosen one of two sources to back you latest postings, a "hawkish" democrat Murtha, and a Repub Hagel. I think for inductive purposes, you'll need to do a little more work. What if I pull up three Viet vets who believe we should stay? Will that change your mind? I doubt it.

Second, Hagel is evading the issue by creating a red herring issue, the criticism of those who disagree. That has never been the point. And James, you're smart enough to recognize it. The fact that previous administration officials and leaders on the hill believed exactly the same intel as what the Bush administration later brought to the table tells me that Bush didn't alter anything or did he dupe anyone; he acted on what everyone thought was the right course to go. So the argument that the liberals have brought that the Bush Admin. lied is absolutely ludicrous and has great capacity to dupe millions of Americans who don't have the political sophistication to understand what's going on.

As to you, my friend, I'm assuming that you have the political sophistication to understand what is going on. Either you have been duped by the liberal establishment or you understand perfectly what's going on and you are a willing participant to propagate their bilge.

When are you going to take a logic course and recognize that your mind is being taken to the cleaners? Go to my website and do the logic tutorial. And to settle your fears, logic isn't a political view; it having the capacity to see reality through reason, not emotion.

james said...


You mean, you don't agree with me?!?! I'm sooo SHOCKED!!! ;)

Underground Logician said...


I give you marks for being consistant; I don't have to try and figure out where you're coming from. You speak your mind. But as I say in concern to most liberals with consistantly erroneous opinions, a mind is a terrible thing to waste! ;)

james said...


Yes, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. That is why I am convinced that with some therapy and some med's you will come around. ;)

Underground Logician said...

Reason is very therapeutic. Keeps you very alert and makes you less susceptible to the opiate manipulations and deceptions of the liberal mind benders. As to meds, I take daily doses of caffeine, particularly in coffee, Terrazu Costa Rican blend to be exact, with lots of cream and sugar. Mmmmm-mmmmm good!

james said...

Liberal mind benders, Hah! Like there are no conservative mind benders!!

Well, at least we can agree with one thing. Good coffee.